Wednesday, 13 May 2009
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I was justifiably angry, like everybody else, after 9-11-01 and for a long time after. 2003. 2004. If there was any talk about torture at Gitmo, I turned a deaf ear to it. I say this to my shame. I wanted (and still want) Osama bin Laden to either get blowed up real good in some stinking cave somewhere, or captured and extradited to the United eStates and tried for murder in the 1st degree of ~3,000 human souls. After his conviction, I want him sentenced to be locked up for the rest of his life, and more importantly, absolutely ignored. No interviews. No reporting. No biographies. No media whatsoever. Just fed and otherwise ignored for the rest of his miserable stinking filthy small tiny poor life.
In a related matter, I’ve always liked the movie Dirty Harry. Recently, I saw Taken with Liam Neeson and enjoyed that. In both of these movies (and there are many other examples), the hero tortures a ne’er-do-well to get valuable information in his pursuit of justice. Watching those movies, I feel the hero’s sense of urgency and sympathize with his decision to use torture to extract the needed information. The Clock Is Ticking!! If I Don’t Find Her Now, She’ll Die!! The Ends Justify The Means. In Taken, Neeson even shoots the innocent wife of a ne’er-do-well (in the shoulder) in order to get someone talking. We excuse this because He Must Save His Daughter!! I give him even more leeway than I would Harry Callahan because, come on, that’s his daughter!
Of course, while I pray that I am never placed in a position to make such cruel choices, I can certainly understand the temptation to use any means necessary to protect the innocent. But that’s what it is. A temptation. Because we’re talking about sin. What makes us “civilized” is the idea that we all agree to be guided by Law. Not all law-breaking is sin and not all sin is law-breaking, but torture? There’s no question. There’s no gray area. It. Is.Wrong.And those that are actually discussing whether or not we get useful information out of torture are the most outrageous. I mean, drinking a baby’s blood may grow hair back on my head, but I’m never going to find out - I’m just going to keep learning to live bald and debonair. You can’t stand for good and then do evil. Once you start doing evil, uh, you don’t stand for good anymore.
I’m ashamed of myself for not being outraged sooner than I was, but hearing these sleazy dirt bags talking about “enhanced interrogation techniques” has sickened me. You can rename it “Enhanced Interrogation” if you want I suppose – *plays Nazi card* – but calling it the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question” did not legitimize the Holocaust. Enough rhetoric, let’s turn to mathematics for the solutions to these conundrums. Here’s a useful sum:
Military Intelligence using Enhanced Interrogation Techniques against Terrorists
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Spanish Inquisition using The Rack to Extract 'confessions' from Jews
=
0.000003
GOP. Stop fooling yourselves.
AU~out
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Comments (12)
The republicans played the "Nazi card" first. "Enhanced Interrogation techniques" is a term taken directly from Gestapo manuals.
Don't make me get Jack Bauer after you.
ummm...jk, btw.
word.
I was going to say something about how Sayid is such a hero when he tortures people etc. (true)
but I can't even joke about the torture thing. I agree with you. It's wrong. There's just no justifying
it.
LOL!!! you make me laugh blaming the republicans for " enhanced interrogation techniques", I guess you may have forgotten you ran the CIA,FBI and the military from 1930 to 1998. Yes it was the democrats and yes they to used " enhanced interrogation techniques" during that time too.
As heartless as it may seem - I believe that if " enhanced interrogation techniques" saved the life of ANYONE I know then I'm ok with it!
I think Ms. Pelosi should also step and tell what she knew - but that would tarnish the dems so you know that won't happen...
@not_me_77 - No one should be proud of that wretched behavior. Saving one life or many lives is not worth the cost to our individual and national souls when we stoop to torture. We all share the shame of such horrible decisions. I single out the Republicans because Dick Cheney is who I heard saying our country is less safe than it was a few months ago. His point was, I believe, that the ends justify the means - any decision made that enhances our security is a good decision, no matter the morality behind it. That is just not true. There are lots and lots of things that we can do to enhance our security that are wrong - illegal wire taps, illegal searches. That are some things that we can do to enhance our security that are downright stinking filthy evil - like wrongful imprisonment and torture. When we start drinking that kind of koolaid, the terrorists win. This is not a democrat/republican issue, it is a moral one.
Who said we should proud of any act of torture or wrongful imprisonment? I would have to agree with Mr. Chaney that we are less safe now than we were. And you know as well as I do that if it meant saving the life of one of your children or your wife you'd be all over it like Jack Bauer! and you know that's true, just like I would be. And I believe that if there were a better way to do it, they would be doing it.
I will agree it is a moral issue and not a democrat/republican issue
But we both know that the moral high ground always looks good from a distance, until something like 9/11 happens again.
@not_me_77 - Dick Cheney seems proud of torture and wrongful imprisonment. He's not only not apologizing for it, he's claiming it was necessary and that it should continue. Pelosi seems to be ashamed of it and denying she never knew about it. For the record, I don't believe her.
If I was hungry, I might be tempted to steal food. If my wife or kid was hungry, I might actually steal it. Wrong-doing is not made "righter" the better the reasons for it. It is still wrong, just perhaps more forgivable. To call it "not stealing" because it was for my wife or kid is just as wrong as stealing. The motives behind it have something to do with it, but it doesn't make wrong right.
@Cheeseclayre - Ha! I was all up on my high and mighty sanctimonious horse about torture and then when I read the name, Sayid I thought, "Oh yeah, forget all this! Torture is awesome!!1111!"
H-m-m, let's think about this...
3000 dead Americans.
3 waterboarded terrorists- still living- giving up valuable information that saved many other innocent people from other acts of terrorism.
H-m-m, I'm thinking...
No, you probably don't want to know what I'm thinking! ;)